I’m possibly upset and a little frustrated...

Site rippers and how I can stop them???

I'm having a site ripper come from
75.104.192.38
Beckville, Texas, United States
Wildblue Communications,
Browser: Rippers.

It seems to have only hit my synthesite webpage and not my domain. (www.honeybearplayhomes.com)
(http://honeybearplayhomes.synthasite....)

Any input would be greatly appreciated. How bad of a thing is this to happen?

the pages the looked at were...

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August 23, 2008 12:58:44 PM

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August 23, 2008 09:37:52 AM

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http://www.honeybearplayhomes.synthas...
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http://www.honeybearplayhomes.synthas...
August 23, 2008 06:27:05 AM
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http://www.honeybearplayhomes.synthas...
Referral: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/hss...
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August 23, 2008 06:29:12 AM

Thanks so much

Ed
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  • What is a site ripper? Your site was hacked? I noticed something at the bottom that looked messed up, yellow words, red background, all funky looking
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    • I've been searching and this is a good explantion of site rippers. "There are many dishonest webmasters that download the entire sites of their successful competitors, just change some images and texts and have "their" site up and running in less than a day without any effort " However, it looks like any preventative measures will cost you money. If your site has already been ripped "stolen" you have an uphill battle getting it removed if it has been duplicated elsewhere on the interenet.
    • well think should fiqure why poele can hack ur things not there bussiness unless ther bussiness.
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  • beautiful... ha ha ha... though my body is middle of the road I'm a bit on the young side as to the website building. it's far from perfect but it will suffice for now until I can figure out how to make things look a little better. thanks for the compliment though
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  • yeah and the only way they can make money is to build a playhouse and well it takes skill and most aint got game...so to speak
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  • oh Thunder I changed the flash from an outside storage to the synthesite storage I hope that made whatever you saw not there any longer. It could have been many different things
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  • I couldn't help but notice your posts about this problem.
    Here's a link from a forum that might help you deal with this.

    http://www.pixel2life.com/forums/inde...

    Hopes this helps.
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  • CHAMP
    I’m so so
    aha I think I figured it out...

    They must look through craigslist and use the results it finds there. I just the day before changed my Domain Name Forward feature from Masked Forward to Open Forward and it was only after I did that did the little turd do his dirty deed. So I hope this is a quick fix for others to think of so they can't find their Synthesite pages because they are hidden from view. For me its too late unless I can somehow block their ISP... Any help there???
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  • So is there a more simple or easy way to prevent site rippers? There are loads of sites out there PROMOTING site ripping methods and software. Yet I find little information on how to prevent ripping in the first place. This is a serious concern I have.
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  • I know it's the weekend, but I feel this is important so bumping this back up.
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    • So, you're sayin site rippers can take the money i earn from m ads?
    • From what I have looked at, these rippers can disable the ads...up to a point. I'm not sure to what extent.
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  • CHAMP
    I’m tired
    in my case unless they can build a playhome and then sell it they can't do diddly with whatever they copied from my site. So unless they can add some buy now feature which is totally unlikely because my playhomes cost thousands and tens of thousands of dollars... Nobody would buy without seeing firsthand so I guess I'm just pissed more than anything. Also, do check into the domain forwarding I wrote of above. It didn't happen until I changed my Domain Name Forward feature from Masked Forward to Open Forward. Maybe this had something to do with it.

    This site is free and let me know I had been attacked... Check it out... another freebie tossed your way guys.

    Also, here is another good site addition for free.

    eWebcounter provides free web statistics for small and medium size businesses and non-profit organizations. With eWebcounter's web statistics you get:

    * A 100% free web counter that be can installed on virtually any website
    * A wide assortment of invisible and graphical web counter styles to choose from
    * A password protected account to view your detailed web statistics
    * provide a hosted solution, so there's no software for you to install and to maintain
    * offers 24x7 real-time statistics. Access your web statistics from any place, at any time.
    * Over 20+ web statistical reports with detailed logs and charts
    * Monitor who's on your website with real-time streaming data
    * Track page views, unique visitors, visitor paths, referrals, search engine keywords, etc.
    * Get statistical reports emailed to you

    http://www.ewebcounter.com

    Monique check out my post about the Banner site
    • mredsayhi. Right, with what your site consists of which is basically local marketing, there isn't much damage they can do to you. Heck it might even be an advertising bonus. However with my approach (making money off online advertising programs) I see my sites as being very vulnerable! Thanks for the above link though. I will certainly look into it!
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  • CHAMP
    I’m still tired
    heres a thought for you why not simply create new pages with your wares and simply do not show those pages in the menu or list (easy to do) then find a Bot unfriendly code accessed link to the new page with your stuff. (you know the box with the picture of all messed up writing and you have to type exactly as they have shown) pretty sure they cant access a page unless it's actually a person behind the attack.

    Maybe Monique can help you with this idea
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  • I dont know what to speak.
    In simpler words, i m scared :-S
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  • Ok, monday morning, waiting for reinforcements for possible solutions to this ripping problem. Bump
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  • Monique (VP of Customer Support) August 25, 2008 12:33
    Hi mredsayshi, Thrundar and everyone else

    I have made inquiries and I am afraid there is not much more I can tell you. Since a website is a publicly available resource there is nothing you can do from a technical side to prevent people from ripping it. This was the question I needed to ask before responding and the answer is pretty much as I thought:

    Your only recourse in this case is legal, I am afraid. If someone ripped your site and then tried to pass it off as their own this would be a copyright infringement and you would be entitled to take legal action against them.

    I suppose as a website publisher you are in the same position as anyone who publishes material, either in print or electronic form. You are protected by law from someone stealing your intellectual property. If a theft of this nature does occur then you need to appeal to this law for restitution.
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  • I found this thread because our site was also visited by someone from Wildblue Communications (IP addy 75.104.96.59) and the browser is also identified as Rippers 0. I am blocking the entire IP range of Wildblue Communications - 75.104.0.0 - 75.107.255.255.
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  • CHAMP
    I’m confident
    yeah I haven't had many issues with them since I submitted all the attacks to the users internet provider.
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  • Never seen this thread before. How and where do I check to see if this is happening?
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  • CHAMP
    I’m confident
    If it is happening then you can see if it is by using this...

    eWebcounter provides free web statistics for small and medium size businesses and non-profit organizations. With eWebcounter's web statistics you get:

    * A 100% free web counter that be can installed on virtually any website
    * A wide assortment of invisible and graphical web counter styles to choose from
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    * offers 24x7 real-time statistics. Access your web statistics from any place, at any time.
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    * Monitor who's on your website with real-time streaming data
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    * Get statistical reports emailed to you

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    I've been using this for some time now and although it only allows the last 200 to show up in the results... for a free service I have found it to be most informative and very good at telling me what I need to change on my site to make those who look at it stay longer then a few minutes.

    The average time spent on my site per person in the beginning was mere minutes whereas now it's about 20 to 30 minutes and in some cases much longer. Not to mention I can track those who came to my site via the "send to a friend" feature because they come in from an email account and with this service you can tell the difference.
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  • hello everyone new here obviously but I've been reading up on most of this threads... especially on this one as I hope it got resolved.

    Realize that if you right click on a page and click "view page source" it'll give you all the info you placed on your site or most of it at least. For testing purpose and I already deleted it [didn't even save it] I used that page source to see if I could reproduce the given result of the ripped copy as you indicated on that 2nd website. It seems almost exact except obviously the template I choose to test from is wrong lol. But yea given that source and a little knowing what template you used and so forth makes it easy to make the same site. That's as far as I know. Again I only did that for testing purposes and not to rip you off. Test site was never saved so please don't take me the wrong way here and of course deleted. << sorry had to state cause I would never rip another off just tried to reproduce the result and report it if I could do it thus given you guys another suggestion of how it could have been done.

    pce!
    rolteje
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  • CHAMP
    I’m rather upset
    What you just did to my copyrighted site and trademarked artwork regardless of your intent and or saving then deleting constitutes copyright infringement and I would be most cautious in your further attempts. As this forum is not for giving ideas to others so that they can themselves go out and do the same and break the law as you yourself have done. Your IP has been retained and will if need be given to the proper authorities.

    You are hereby asked to refrain from further attempts to copy my site either as a test or otherwise.

    This matter is not concluded.

    And yes I know several copyright and trademark attorneys who would enjoy a little side work.
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  • Ed,

    Sorry about that like I stated it's not my intent to compromise your site. if you have my IP that's fine by me I dont have anything to hide. Plus I have no intention of using your site for mine as those people who rip off or have ripped your site have done. I have read and seen how much you put into it like the rest of us have been doing or trying to achieve. I never have ripped anyone off ever nor will start now as it's not my place to do so. I'm just here like everyone else helping out in my little knowledge. and if you didn't know of that page source that anyone could do it or see it then by all means now you do know as I don't see anyone who has stated that yet so I decided to mention it. If need be please erase and edit this reply or even delete it as well if you still believe that suggestion of "maybe" how they did it and how it's easily access by the millions fails to advice you or suggest to you what they could have done and maybe it's a flaw that can be patched somehow someway. You can even have the admins here look into my account and they'll tell you that nothing I have done pertains to your site or even would. Please realize I'm not trying to look like the bad guy here. Just trying to help but if that is so then well so be it I have nothing but 1 unfinished site and another starting for a game clan.

    I guess a first post to help is not worth it like this so I'll keep it at that.
    Again you can report me to authorities or have the admins look into my account with them and let them tell you what I have whichever suits the above needs.

    pce!
    rolteje
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  • I did know of the ease at which it takes to copy someones site as it is done thousands of times daily and I did know of the manner in which you spoke of. However, I chose not to state it openly and now by your posting of something which is not pertinent to this actual post and offers no way to help the collective but in fact shows a way to they themselves do as you have and who's to say copy a site from a BIG BOY company and then get sued and you are at fault for disclosing the ease at which you had done it yourself.

    This, I have issue with and as to the deletion of this thread I started some time ago and through my own dealings with it had offered up help to others to solve it if they had it become an issue in the future. I would rather only the posts after yours be deleted if that is at all possible Monique.

    As to the reporting to any authorities it is at my discretion and as you have appeared to be repentant I would still caution you in this matter for your future in website building.

    And as to how they did it... The manner in which you described is in fact NOT how they did it. The website rippers do things quite differently.
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  • I’m concerned
    Woooa! What the .......? This is scary stuff, bra. I have the same feelings about the news idiots who report on how easy it is for terrorists to get at something... Why not mail them blueprints and a key. That's about what this guy just did. (and I think I've made my feelings on copyright issues very clear in past posts) That's it... my site's not going out alone after dark anymore!
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  • Monique,

    by all means remove all posts after my first as I feel I am no longer welcomed here as things have turned to a misunderstanding.
    Thank you.

    pce!

    rolteje
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  • If I appear distressed, upset and mad I have every right to be...

    In all my postings I have tried to be of benefit to others and not offer ways to break the law as I was not only a US Marine but had been in law enforcement as well as government service as well. I take a moment and think about my post before I send it and even if I have written a long message and come to a part which can be used against another, find a site that I was going to share to be out of taste for one reason or another be offensive to even one person I delete my entire message and do not send it.

    Ask Monique as to my ethical background in trying to protect the collective as well as the company. I have myself refrained from posting tips, tricks or other to ensure they are not used or misused by anyone who may read the post that I placed it in.

    I understand that yes you may have wished to help and maybe you did but in this case I feel the message you sent was quite different then what you had intended.

    I will consider this to be closed as I have more pressing matters to attend.
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  • Monique (VP of Customer Support) September 18, 2008 22:54
    Copyright infringement is serious legal issue. Any published document, regardless of the medium (print, audio, video, webpage) is vulnerable to copying. Unfortunately this is the nature of a public document. I very much doubt that roleteje had any ill intent, but I do think it is a good idea to confine the discussion to strategies for dealing with copyright infringement rather than descriptions of how the copying could be achieved ;-)
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  • Monique,

    like stated previously please delete all posts after my first as even the terrorist type post was kinda out there. But either way please delete all after my first post as you'll see me no longer trying to help here.
    And to Ed I don't know your background or anyone else's and like Monique stated it wasn't my intent for doing wrong. As I read someone was attempting to see ways of countering this issue and nothing was posted of possibility I would have thought me posting that would have indicated an option to safety of others. Like Monique stated that its vulnerable to anyone so it's not like I released a program for malicious acts but just refering to something every viewer is capable of.

    That's just my last statement but Monique please delete all posts after mine as this be my last no matter if a reply is held.

    pce!

    rolteje8624
    • Monique (VP of Customer Support) September 18, 2008 23:09
      I can't delete the posts myself, but I have requested the Get Satisfaction community manager to do so. As we have seen this is a sensitive issue and I know our intention in this community is to help and support each other, so I thank all of you for trying to move the conversation forward in this spirit and keep the peace.
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  • You know I had wished after reading your first post to make a point to those out there that this is a very serious matter and as you happened to be the one who made the knowledge public in this post any distress on my part in my postings after was to show you how one simple thing can snowball and turn into something that was not your intent.

    Do not feel you need to leave the posts as I wish you all the best in your website building now and in the future. If you see something on my site that you wonder how I did it then ask. If you have a question about how something is done there is always a great group of people here.

    Please stay and share your site and yourself and things you learned to benefit others.

    ED
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  • I'm sorry to say but as you realize my intent wasn't malicious, but as I stated after today I will no longer post even after that comparison to a terrorist which was overboard as well. You having my IP like I said I personally don't care even if you handed it out to everyone as I have nothing that people would steal nor want. Heck I'd hand you my computer if you'd like. But look whether you thought one way or another you had bad things happen to you lately and yes I do read even before my first post. And no I personally don't care what your past or what you've done. It's not my position to learn who's who here as my main goal is to build a site using what I can which really is a lot compared to other sites. But I kept reading this issue and others so decided to post, but it got escalated for no reason.

    What I posted was not only did I learn by myself but was taught in my computer class both in high school and college so whether you thought of it before and didn't want to state it most users already knew this especially since it's a simple way to learn html code and how it's used. Again like my other post states... If I really had bad intentions I would have released a program to maliciously steal all your sites and what not. But did I nah I'm not that type of guy and dont have the time or willing to put effort at this point. One's website is either good, bad, or worse then another but will never and shall never be exactly the same nor created for the same idea. So even if I asked you how you did something chances are it won't look the same cause it takes time to be "EXACTLY" the same.

    Again I feel as this was pointless and overboard so it's not worth my time here to even attempt to post or reading anything anymore but the tutorials which I am already so if you all have nothing more to say of what happened right now then please drop it as it's already non-existent and shouldn't have been an issue in the first place if you think about it and I mean seriously think about it. But I guess even those few seconds between clicking that reply that didn't come in mind. But I give you credit for going so far in 5 minutes of acquiring all my info for no reason. Also, sorry for your previous loss as I read in a previous thread. I hope none of that was tooken out here but if I was your punching bag for the moment then I'm glad some of your stress was released.

    But yea that terrorist thing on the side and automatically dropping me down from being viewed as a member to non-existent was the best part of it all and with that I take no part in these forums anymore if that's how one is treated.

    pce!

    rolteje
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  • I’m hopeful
    Hello, everyone. I was watching the thread and thought I would weigh in with my own two cents.

    I know that it can feel a little scary to think that someone might steal all of your hard work. Keep in mind that HTML is just plain old text. It can be copied and pasted. As Monique pointed out, the nature of publishing content online is that it's always possible for someone to take what you've done and reproduce it somewhere else in some form or fashion. As someone who has done some simple Web site creation myself, I know that many of those site-ripping tools actually have legitimate uses by Web designers. True, there are people who might use them to copy your site, but you can usually stop them quite quickly, as SanRamon pointed out from that excellent link.

    It sounds like everyone has worked through their anger here, and I hope that no one has ill feelings toward rolteje. I think he was just trying to point out that there are legitimate reasons people copy HTML code; that it is common knowledge to many computer science-oriented folks; and that the Web is also a little different than other forms of publishing.

    I hope you'll still stick around, rolteje.
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  • Relax rolteje,

    A good detective has to think like a crook.
    I don't think you meant any malice.
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  • CHAMP
    I’m a okay
    sorry that you choose not to post in the future and if you are so knowledgeable you could have been a great deal of help to others and for that they are at a loss.

    As to the terrorist thing... if you look back that post was not from me and I did not then or now think that so I cannot answer for that of which I had nothing to do with.

    Which previous loss??? I am hunky dorry and chipper good. I have no ill will towards you or anyone else. I am merely havin a good time with my site and hey here is a great site for you to use for a free website analytical. It is the one I checked after your first post and within that minute saw you had been there and copied away and I'll show you what I saw there below which was worrying to me... It plainly showed that you had clicked on some buttons within the copied site and that you had stated that you hadn't saved it but this says that you had pressed update (and that saves it at least for a little while until you delete) You see all the information connected to my buttons still refer to my pages and well thats why I was so upset and yes with every right...

    All is good with me and I am coolio....



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  • For the record... My comment was related to the "news Idiots" releasing information that could be used with ill intent by others looking to do so, just for the sake of having something to report, giving no thought as to how that information could be used.

    I did NOT imply that you were a terrorist, what you did was more along the lines of the irresponsible news reporter.

    I also ended the post in a joking manner... Lighten up.
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  • Guys, I wasn't here for 2 days. And this thread has BOOMED!!
    Hey Rolteje.. I understand what you did was just for testing purpose (i might have done the same if i had some free time!!) But the only problem is, you should have done the testing part on your own site or you should have done it with a permission.
    Ed is the coolest guy around and one of the most helpful member. I can understand his feelings as well. I know how insecure one becomes if one has to spend hours and days to make such a beautiful site!
    I hope we see Rolteje and Ed both helping out other members here.
    And yeah Rolteje, i dont really think Guido wanted to hurt you. I hope you take this discussion in good spirits and stick around
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  • Thanks for passing the link on, Guido. It's uber cool, hey. And even though not all of my pages require it, I think I'll whack it on each page anyhow. Sorry you had to endure such stress, Ed. There's nothing worse than having another person trying to use their smarts by copying another person's work. It's just rude. As well as lazy.
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  • I’m feeling appreciative
    I've been using Google Analytics though have just installed ewebcounter as I think it's a lot more detailed than GA. Thanks for the heads up with the link, Ed.
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  • I’m frustrated
    Wildblue is at it again. They hit L.i.G. 8 times.

    75.106.192.37
    65.55.231.30
    75.106.192.37
    75.106.192.37
    75.106.192.37
    99.2.72.93
    75.106.192.57
    75.106.192.38

    Isn't there any way to stop these S#@t Heads?
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  • okay there may be one way to stop these ppl i think theirs a ip ban widget somewhere on the widget box maybe if you can implement that to your site and put there ip in it? if it work should stop your page from loading up for that ip meaning no content to rip
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  • I’m hope this helps
    I was wondering can you do this with synthasite

    You can deny access to your site fairly easily by adding a command to
    the existing .htaccess file (if you have one there already), or by
    creating an .htaccess file and uploading it to the public_html or www
    directory of your site.

    The name of that file is .htaccess (dot htaccess - no spaces).

    The lines you will add are as follow ... with each line as listed as a
    separ

    The 0's above represent the IP address(es) you wish to deny access to.

    If you want to add more access denials, you put them each on their own line:
    ate line in the file.

    order allow,Deny
    Deny from 000.000.000.0
    allow from all

    Deny from 123.456.789.0

    You can then upload the files via FTP to your server.

    If you use front page extensions or an IIS or Wndows server, upload
    the .htaccess file. Windows may rename the file .htaccess.txt, and
    once it is uploaded via Front Page, you merely need to change the name
    of that file to plain .htaccess (without any extensions such as .txt,
    .htm or such)

    Search terms used ~
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    deny access
    deny IP access
    front page + .htaccess

    This should take care of denying access to an individual IP address.

    Regards,

    ~ Serenata
    Google Answers Researcher
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  • It's best to not waste time thinking about stuff like this. People steal content constantly online. Have you ever copied an image from a site? A lot of people do. For some weird reason, people seem to think that everything on the Internet is free and theirs for the taking. It seldom crosses a person's mind that website graphic they just stole actually cost the website owner $350 when they hired an artist to create it for their site.

    Anyway, people steal your web page content. They steal your graphics. They even steal / clone entire sites. There is no way of stopping this unless people suddenly develop ethics and integrity.
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