H1 Tags

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On the old sitebuilder I was able to shrink the H1 tags in the header down to zero, but now we seem to be forced to having the H1 tag at a minimum of 8px size.

I don't want to remove my H1 tag from my metadata for SEO reasons,so, is there any way I can make it no longer visible within my header?

Below is an example of the issue.

Thanks in advance.
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Monique, VP of Customer Support

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Hi Big G

This could very well be a case of us taking your brilliant advice: "If it ain't broke, break it!" ;) Not intentionally of course!

Can you tell me if you have enabled the new Style Designer on your account? (If you don't know what I am referring to then the answer would be no)

Also give me the URL of your site so I can take a closer look.
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Well, i've been forced to use the new style designer, but even before it had flipped over to the new designer, the option to scale down to zero pixels had disappeared on the old designer, leaving you with no option to scale it down. The option was "all or nothing".

I know from experience that it wouldn't have been done intentionally Monique, i'm Yola's biggest fan.

I am struggling to come to terms with the site designer, it seems to have over-complicated itself for no more than aesthetic reasons as far as i can see, but saying that, i don't know what you have "road mapped" in for the future, so maybe it's not just a change for the sake of it.

Having designed over 130 websites using Yola's old site-builder, i'm obviously kinda used to using it, and change as we know does take time to adjust to.

However, for now i'm just going colour adjust my header designs to hide the H1 tag within it, i'll lose a bit of my header design space but i'm happy to do that for the sake of better SEO.

Just a thought, surely the site builder can be simply adjusted to take the H1 tag back down to zero pixels instead of the minimum 8pixels which we have now?
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Hi Big G

Thanks for your understanding. We are definitely happy to investigate this.

The comment about "if ain't broke, break it" was a joke based on the cool quote associated with your profile. I know you know we didn't mean it, but it fitted in so well with this situation that I couldn't resist :)

First of all I think there is some confusion as to what I mean by the new Style Designer. I think you think I mean the new Sitebuilder user interface. As of today all customers have been moved over to the new version. However, there is another new feature, the "Style Designer" that you access from the "Page" tab. If you created your account before we released this, you have to enable it by choice - it is not turned on automatically precisely because we don't want to overwrite any previous customizations. My first suspicion was that you may have turned it on and it may have caused an unanticipated issue with your ability to set the size of your H1 tag. However, I think we may be talking at cross purposes here, which leads me to believe that you have NOT opted in to use the Style Designer and it is therefore not causing the issue.

We tested this on our accounts and you can still take the H1 tag down to 0 pixels as before. So I am still at a loss to know why you can't do this. Can you share the URL of your site so I can investigate?

Just to address your comments about the new sitebuilder. I can totally understand how you would be used to the old version having built so many sites, and thank you for being willing to give the new version a try! The changes are definitely not for aesthetic reasons. We did it in order to group all the editing actions together in one place and open up more horizontal screen real estate for editing. More importantly we did it to support a number of new features we are releasing, the Style Designer being the first of them. See our blogpost for more details: http://www.yola.com/blog/now-users-ha...

Anyway, please get back to me with your URL - we didn't mean to remove the option to set the H1 tag to 0 pixels and we are still able to do so on our own accounts, so we definitely want to find out why you can't!
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Hi Monique. Thanks for getting to me. Below is an example of what i'm saying. Could this be a browser issue?

http://i.imgur.com/jnS0A3X.jpg?1
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Ah, I see. So that is the Style Designer you posted in your screenshot. If you want to set the H1 tag to zero you have to do it the old way. Click "Edit" on the page heading and use the slider to move it down to 0.

I did just want to add that if the reason you are doing this is for SEO purposes, then I do wonder about the reasoning. I know some feel that this is black hat SEO and can actually cause you to be penalized by the search engines. Maybe you have researched this already and made a decision but if not you might find this discussion thread interesting: http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/q...

Regardless, let me know if you are unable to set the H1 tag to 0 using the old page heading editor.
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I don't see that having an H1 header as "black hat".

Anyhoo, this now presents another problem, the slider is no longer there. How do I revert to the old editor?

Picture below.
http://i.imgur.com/7zRFUTH.jpg
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Hi Big G

Thanks for posting the screenshot - I can see what you mean now. I apologize for the confusion from my side but now that I am able to look at the specific situation in your account as your URL is included in your latest screenshot I can explain what has happened.

To put this in context:
Having an H1 header is not "black hat SEO" - it is encouraged. However, Google doesn't like it if you have one that isn't visible to the human eye, whether this is due to the text being the same color as the background or having the font size set to zero. They feel that this undermines the purpose of the H1 tag, which is to have a clear, visible heading at the top of the page. The fact that you are replacing this function with an image is not something they credit you for.

For example, see this post :

Question #1: Does the font-size (style) affect the SEO value of headings?
Answer: No. Except when used to de-emphasise or obscure the headings in a way that is clearly meant to either manipulate the emphasis, or to hide the text altogether (font-size:0 for example).


So even though it is our position that it is not advisable to manipulate the H1 tag in a way that makes it invisible, we have not taken this option away from sites that were created prior to the release of the Style Designer, in case customers were already using this option. However, sites created after the release of the Style Designer no longer have the option to set the H1 tag to 0. We believe that this is the right decision both in terms of the SEO value of the H1 tag and usability: A user that sets their content to a zero font size might do so by accident or forget and then they will not be able to see or find their content. We are trying to avoid this situation.

So I need to backtrack a little and say that while we didn't take the option away from existing sites, but we did for new sites as we regard this as an appropriate product development.

Having said that, if you still want to set your H1 tag to 0 you can do so using the CSS editor.

Thanks again for the screenshots and explanations and my apologies for taking awhile to understand your situation. I hope I have explained things well, but if not let me know and I will try to clarify further.
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No worries Monique, from now on i'll design with this in mind.

Thank you kindly for your time.
Have a nice day.
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Thanks for understanding Big G. There are some really cool features that we are going to build on top of the Style Designer, so hopefully the transition will be worth it in the end. We appreciate your willingness to work around the issue in the meantime!